> They may view an instructor as an opponent standing in the way of the grade they want. And they see “getting the right answers” as the goal of education because that’s how you secure that grade. But that’s no more true than thinking that logging a count of reps is the goal of bodybuilding.

The author is essentially saying "you're doing education wrong" to students who never signed up for the author's version of what education is for. Students are making a rational economic calculation: they need a degree to get a job.

FloorEgg5 hours ago | | | parent | | on: 47769100
> Students are making a rational economic calculation: they need a degree to get a job.

Except it's not true. They don't need a degree to get a job. Maybe they need a degree to get a very specific job, but then they will be doing what the degree taught, and so they might as well learn how to do it.

This whole "I need a degree to get a job" is the problem. It's how people end up with $200k in student loans working front line retail.

The default natural state rewards value creation. Corrupt/artificial systems don't, so there are exceptions. If students reframe their reasoning from "get a degree to get a job" to "learn how to create lots of value for others in a way I find sustainable and satisfying" they are far more likely to enjoy the lives they build for themselves.

The author is more right about this than you give them credit for. Students who are getting a degree just to get a job are doing it wrong. If they don't enjoy doing the things the degree teaches, they really won't enjoy what comes after they graduate.

jjmarr4 hours ago | | | parent | | on: 47769368
Most white collar jobs require a university degree. They don't care what it's in or your GPA or if you understood history/philosophy/English. Just that you have literally any degree.
FloorEgg3 hours ago | | | parent | | on: 47770573
I don't think this is true anymore.

I agree some do, but I am very skeptical about most. It's also changing rapidly.

To be clear I'm not disagreeing that a manufacturing engineer role would require a degree in engineering (and countless other examples). I'm pushing back on specifically "most white collar jobs require any degree regardless of what it is".

I believe that assumption is incorrect and harmful.

jjmarr2 hours ago | | | parent | | on: 47771336
It's truer than ever because of applicant tracking systems that allow HR to automatically filter out people without degrees before they are even seen by the hiring manager.

In combination with oversaturation of university graduates, it's an easy box HR can tick to lower the applicant pool.

xg152 hours ago | | | parent | | on: 47770573
This sound pretty insane on its own. If you don't care about the content of the degree at all, what does the degree even prove?
jjmarr2 hours ago | | | parent | | on: 47771479
It proves you could sit through 4 years of university and not fail out.

Since basically anyone can graduate high school nowadays, this proves you put at least some effort into your education without being forced to.

It doesn't really matter if it's low signal, just that it narrows the applicant pool.